TheUntamedLegend
29th December 2007 - 11:01 PM
Posting in a welcome topic is tantamount to spam.
Ever topic is the same thing:
Topic: I'm new.
New user: Hello, I am new here.
Poster 1: Welcome to SSF!
Poster 2: LOL HI WALECOM TO TEH FORAMZ
Poster 3: Hello!
Poster 4: Welcome!
Poster 5: Hey, welcome to Shadow Star forums!
On and on forever.
Everyone is guilty of this, except me.
None of these posts are truly sincere, it's all fake-cheer done to add to the post count.
Even if you are genuine, the "welcome" posts do not warrant adding to your count.
Some users make the majority of their posts on that board, all with posts less than five words long.
You know I'm right.
Bobomb
29th December 2007 - 11:04 PM
I post in welcome boards to not only welcome people, but to rack up posts as well, so TUL is right. We should probably take off post countings for these topics.
Moon
29th December 2007 - 11:13 PM
Lulz.
I have to admit that I do too P:
MastaWario
29th December 2007 - 11:13 PM
Lawl. I'll let the votes decide.
I don't care either way myself, since spam isn't exactly outlawed here (as long as it's not in excessive amounts outside the spam board).
I don't see much wrong with it either, since I made posts count in the RP boards as well anyway.
Jeffhog the Sonic guru
30th December 2007 - 12:03 AM
Well, we COULD keep the Welcome and Farewell boards, and by posting a new topic/poll or a reply, we don't get points.... how 'bout it?
Gold Torizo
30th December 2007 - 12:16 AM
I agree with TUL. A lot of welcome posts are very generic and the same welcome is given to every member. I dunno about you guys, but I'd rather people welcome me because they're actually happy to see me and have put some effort into the welcome and not see the same message to everbody that joins.
Which is why I don't post in every welcome topic, and only when their first post gives me a good impression. Then, I'll take some time and let them know that in my book, they're welcome; and not just a means to a higher post count.
Faltzer
30th December 2007 - 01:11 AM
What the hell? You posted this exact message on VGL...
Bubba-Man
30th December 2007 - 01:15 AM
But our Welcoming topics are interesting unlike VGL. Like Xeel's topic. And, most of our members are awesome unlike the n00bs over there
TheUntamedLegend
30th December 2007 - 01:18 AM
| QUOTE (Faltzer @ Dec 29 2007, 08:11 PM) |
| What the hell? You posted this exact message on VGL... |
It applies to all forums.
The Subrosian Mages
30th December 2007 - 01:19 AM
| QUOTE (Gold Torizo @ Dec 30 2007, 12:16 AM) |
I agree with TUL. A lot of welcome posts are very generic and the same welcome is given to every member. I dunno about you guys, but I'd rather people welcome me because they're actually happy to see me and have put some effort into the welcome and not see the same message to everbody that joins.
Which is why I don't post in every welcome topic, and only when their first post gives me a good impression. Then, I'll take some time and let them know that in my book, they're welcome; and not just a means to a higher post count. |
Some people run out of things to say sometime and it takes awhile for people like me to think of new things to say.
Also I enjoy welcoming new members to this insanely epic place.
Gold Torizo
30th December 2007 - 01:20 AM
| QUOTE (Faltzer @ Dec 30 2007, 01:11 AM) |
| What the hell? You posted this exact message on VGL... |
Because my thoughts on the matter apply to both forums. I don't want to have to type all that out twice now.
Yoshio
30th December 2007 - 06:59 AM
*shakes head*
Mr. TheUntamedLegend, I do not see how the posts in the welcome board should not increase post count, after all, new members deserve a bit of reward for actually introducing themselves, and old members deserve that too for making new members feel welcome
*slams gavel*
objection over ruled, please think things through before making accusations, i'm sorry but I have to penalize you
*exclamation point explodes*
TheUntamedLegend
30th December 2007 - 07:08 AM
| QUOTE (Yoshio @ Dec 30 2007, 01:59 AM) |
*shakes head*
Mr. TheUntamedLegend, I do not see how the posts in the welcome board should not increase post count, after all, new members deserve a bit of reward for actually introducing themselves, and old members deserve that too for making new members feel welcome |
Objection!
Surely you do not believe that members are sincere when they post their so-called welcomes! Why should a superficial, copy/paste generic "WELCOME" count toward the user's post count!
I would also like to brink up the point that Your Honor is partial! You are one of the aforementioned serial-welcomers!
Greenguy
30th December 2007 - 07:14 AM
None of this makes sence to me. but i do agree with Yoshio, You SHOULD be welcoming new members to make them feel at home. other wise they won't show their " True Colors " Untill very later on. ( say like... me for example. Good happy go-lucky person right? True colors come on, and i'm the worst person in town ). We should get the true colors early. so that we can...handle more different people more eariler and easily
Yoshio
30th December 2007 - 07:32 AM
....erk!!!
pfft, regardless, since we are not a forum that really cares about such trivial things as spamming, we will keep post count in the welcome board for the reasons i have just stated
unless you can somehow prove that it is worth our time to undo the post count
can you provide proof that these 'serial welcomes" are a serious problem?
Greenguy
30th December 2007 - 07:38 AM
Sry
Yoshio
30th December 2007 - 07:59 AM
I was responding to TUL, I wasn't even aware you posted anything...
MastaWario
30th December 2007 - 08:12 AM
I don't see a problem on leaving the welcome board post count on here.
VGLan, however, where all the members post the same over-formal welcomes every time--I can see your point there.
Bubba's right in this thread, though. Most of our welcome topics have been pretty interesting so far.
Duplisour
30th December 2007 - 08:22 AM
Posting welcome is only posting wlecome.
Welcome isn't a discussion. It's just welcome.
I agree with TUL. Welcoming isn't always sincere.
But at least, if it can give an illusion that the member is indeed welcome... We can use the Post increaser as a bait.
I JUST INVENTED THE GREETING BAIT!
But TUL has a big point here. if members are always posting in Welcome topics, the rest of the forum becomes somewhat less active... Or maybe it could be the other way around. If members wait for someone to post a welcome topic, they'll go around the forum posting to pass time... Psychology is hard.
But I don't understand members that want to boost their post count at all costs. As most of you don't know, Double-Post is considered as Boost on most forum. And boosting is a crime, too. In great-scale forums, there aren't welcome boards and "I'm new" topics are against the rules, because those are 'spam', AKA Stupid, pointless and annoying, and they're an easy target for Boosters. This is mostly because there is no way to block Post count in those forums, thought (I'm talking about no php here) and they get many members a day.
I'm not saying of getting rid of the new user board, but to consider this. If we get rid of the Post increaser in the NUB/WB, where no revelant discussion takes place BTW, we block an easy target for post-count boosters.
@ Yoshio: A welcome should always be given, not traded.
And I have to stop acting like my Pennington self too.
Ugh... *tries to think harder of Mario da Vincy.*
Yoshio
30th December 2007 - 08:28 AM
I live by the motto, "don't fix what isn't broken"
and besides, I lose our chill forum reputation if we eliminate post count in a board where there are often good posts for fear of post boosting
if it becomes clear that someone is posting just to increase thier count, I can always start deleting thier posts and lowering thier post count
posts will continue to count in the welcome boards and that is final
*slams gavel*
MastaWario
30th December 2007 - 08:34 AM
| QUOTE |
Posting welcome is only posting wlecome.
Welcome isn't a discussion. It's just welcome.
I agree with TUL. Welcoming isn't always sincere.
But at least, if it can give an illusion that the member is indeed welcome... We can use the Post increaser as a bait.
I JUST INVENTED THE GREETING BAIT!
But TUL has a big point here. if members are always posting in Welcome topics, the rest of the forum becomes somewhat less active... Or maybe it could be the other way around. If members wait for someone to post a welcome topic, they'll go around the forum posting to pass time... Psychology is hard.
But I don't understand members that want to boost their post count at all costs. As most of you don't know, Double-Post is considered as Boost on most forum. And boosting is a crime, too. In great-scale forums, there aren't welcome boards and "I'm new" topics are against the rules, because those are 'spam', AKA Stupid, pointless and annoying, and they're an easy target for Boosters. This is mostly because there is no way to block Post count in those forums, thought (I'm talking about no php here) and they get many members a day.
I'm not saying of getting rid of the new user board, but to consider this. If we get rid of the Post increaser in the NUB/WB, where no revelant discussion takes place BTW, we block an easy target for post-count boosters.
@ Yoshio: A welcome should always be given, not traded.
And I have to stop acting like my Pennington self too.
Ugh... *tries to think harder of Mario da Vincy.* |
True, true.
I just don't see much of a problem in it still. It's customary for a member to post an "I'm new" topic in many forums you go to. It's not often I see a forum without a welcome board. And I find it better if a new member introduces his/herself rather than just start posting in random threads.
Also, taking away the post count may give people less incentive to welcome someone.
On the off chance a welcome thread becomes too spammy, we could always give it the lock, or if one gets pointlessly bumped. Though I'd rather not get that strict about locking topics around here either way.
I just think it's fine the way it is.
Duplisour
30th December 2007 - 08:41 AM
QUOTE (MastaWario @ Dec 30 2007, 03:34 AM)
| QUOTE |
Posting welcome is only posting wlecome.
Welcome isn't a discussion. It's just welcome.
I agree with TUL. Welcoming isn't always sincere.
But at least, if it can give an illusion that the member is indeed welcome... We can use the Post increaser as a bait.
I JUST INVENTED THE GREETING BAIT!
But TUL has a big point here. if members are always posting in Welcome topics, the rest of the forum becomes somewhat less active... Or maybe it could be the other way around. If members wait for someone to post a welcome topic, they'll go around the forum posting to pass time... Psychology is hard.
But I don't understand members that want to boost their post count at all costs. As most of you don't know, Double-Post is considered as Boost on most forum. And boosting is a crime, too. In great-scale forums, there aren't welcome boards and "I'm new" topics are against the rules, because those are 'spam', AKA Stupid, pointless and annoying, and they're an easy target for Boosters. This is mostly because there is no way to block Post count in those forums, thought (I'm talking about no php here) and they get many members a day.
I'm not saying of getting rid of the new user board, but to consider this. If we get rid of the Post increaser in the NUB/WB, where no revelant discussion takes place BTW, we block an easy target for post-count boosters.
@ Yoshio: A welcome should always be given, not traded.
And I have to stop acting like my Pennington self too.
Ugh... *tries to think harder of Mario da Vincy.* |
True, true.
I just don't see much of a problem in it still. It's customary for a member to post an "I'm new" topic in many forums you go to. It's not often I see a forum without a welcome board. And I find it better if a new member introduces his/herself rather than just start posting in random threads.
Also, taking away the post count may give people less incentive to welcome someone.
On the off chance a welcome thread becomes too spammy, we could always give it the lock, or if one gets pointlessly bumped. Though I'd rather not get that strict about locking topics around here either way.
I just think it's fine the way it is.
It's just a very very very very light issue here. A little, very little detail that does little to no difference.
I have no important reason to (and I'm trying to avoid "Changing" and "Keeping" here) have it or not have it. If it's not changed is mainly because we don't want to go around and change it just for that. It guess it would be the same way if the Post Increaser was deactivated, and someone posted a topic about activating the post increaser.
Yoshio
30th December 2007 - 09:01 AM
above all, we don't get uptight over things that don't really matter
there are many reasons to have post count in the welcome board
there is only one as to why it should be removed, and that's to prevent junk posts, somthing that we don't really care about doing anyway