we need a debate, so I posted one
what do you think about laws that ban smoking in public places?
I hate them (shock!)
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I hate cigarettes and believe that you have to a fool (or succumb to peer pressure easily) to take it up.
I don't want to breathe in other people's crap. If they want to mess up their lungs, go some place I'm not....in other words, an area with not many people. Though, I'm sure they won't ban them from public completely...
I don't want to breathe in other people's crap. If they want to mess up their lungs, go some place I'm not....in other words, an area with not many people. Though, I'm sure they won't ban them from public completely...
where WOULD people be allowed to smoke then? at home? where there kids are?its lose-lose either way with smoking.
well, these laws are a blatant attack on individual rights
taking away the rights of people because you don't like the smell of smoke is pretty selfish
the problem seems to be the idea that if there is smoke, and someone has a problem with it, then it is the smoker who should leave
I think that it is the person with the problem who should leave
(in other words, if you enter a place where people are smoking, it is up to you to decide if it is worth sticking around, or if you would rather leave)
give people the right to make thier own life choices, and give businesses the right to decide what will make them more successful
(in regards to smoking or non smoking)
taking away the rights of people because you don't like the smell of smoke is pretty selfish
the problem seems to be the idea that if there is smoke, and someone has a problem with it, then it is the smoker who should leave
I think that it is the person with the problem who should leave
(in other words, if you enter a place where people are smoking, it is up to you to decide if it is worth sticking around, or if you would rather leave)
give people the right to make thier own life choices, and give businesses the right to decide what will make them more successful
(in regards to smoking or non smoking)
I understand what you're saying, but smoking is stupid. It does nothing but ruin your body and give you a high risk of lung cancer.
You want a perfect solution? Ban cigarettes from the earth (like that will ever happen...)
You want a perfect solution? Ban cigarettes from the earth (like that will ever happen...)
a perfect solution: people show responsibility and get over it
(like that will ever happen....)
(like that will ever happen....)
| QUOTE (MastaWario @ Nov 24 2007, 03:00 AM) |
| I hate cigarettes and believe that you have to a fool (or succumb to peer pressure easily) to take it up. I don't want to breathe in other people's crap. If they want to mess up their lungs, go some place I'm not....in other words, an area with not many people. Though, I'm sure they won't ban them from public completely... |
That makes two of us, MW. I also despise cigarettes (i've never smoked in my life). As far as i'm concerned, it's a good thing that they banned smoking in public places. For once, that's a really good thing that the government did and i approve of this.
And that's my own opinion, and i approve that (not to mention that i assume of it too).
Well, it really isn't that simple. A lot of places that they've banned them are places where people can't necesarily help it like buildings.
Also, that's assuming the smoker got there first. What if it's a huge group of people who hate smoke and there's just one or two people smoking? Should they all just up and leave?
On another note, it's not even always that people just hate smoke, some of them have adverse reactions to it. For instance, when I'm around cigarette smoke I get headaches and feel sick. A lot of the time I can't do anything about it, and I'm forced to just deal with it. It sucks.
Also, there's been studies that show that second-hand smoke can be bad for you, not to the degree if you're actually smoking, but if you get a lot there's not exactly anything you can do. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be getting headaches and cancer because someone's not being careful with their smokes.
I don't like smoking, not at all. People can smoke if they have to, but they should at least be courteous of people who don't.
Also, that's assuming the smoker got there first. What if it's a huge group of people who hate smoke and there's just one or two people smoking? Should they all just up and leave?
On another note, it's not even always that people just hate smoke, some of them have adverse reactions to it. For instance, when I'm around cigarette smoke I get headaches and feel sick. A lot of the time I can't do anything about it, and I'm forced to just deal with it. It sucks.
Also, there's been studies that show that second-hand smoke can be bad for you, not to the degree if you're actually smoking, but if you get a lot there's not exactly anything you can do. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be getting headaches and cancer because someone's not being careful with their smokes.
I don't like smoking, not at all. People can smoke if they have to, but they should at least be courteous of people who don't.
well I guess we can just throw out our constitution because people are feeling uncomfortable
What about people right not to inhale unhealthy smoke?
Really, in this case, there's no way to be 'fair' (I say 'fair' like that because there's really no such thing) to either side, so it basically boils down to what's in most peoples interest. If the people of the United States have voted to ban smoking in certain areas, then that is what happens.
Really, in this case, there's no way to be 'fair' (I say 'fair' like that because there's really no such thing) to either side, so it basically boils down to what's in most peoples interest. If the people of the United States have voted to ban smoking in certain areas, then that is what happens.
If you give people the choice of clean air vs. going into bars and places that allow smoking, what will they choose?
doesn't matter, they do not have to make that sort of choice like smokers have to, because of these laws
when you get right down to it, it is facism by the majority, on a opressed minority
being an American means respecting the rights of your fellow Americans and taking the bad with the good, which alot of people are not willing to do
having freedom means that someone, somewhere is going to do somthing that you don't like, and you need to grin and bear it because the freedom that allows them to smoke is the same freedom that allows you to do somthing that someone else might not like as long as it is not harming anyone, or infinging on the rights of others, which regardless of what you may say, smoking does not do
the "right to clean air" makes no sense, because clean air is everywhere, its as easy to get as stepping outside, or politly asking the person next to you to put out the cigarette
if you want to stop smoking in bars and restaurants, then why not use the simple rule of supply and demand? Don't go to places that allow smoking and only go to places that are non smoking, but non sm okers will never do this, for the simple reason that clean air is not as important to them as these services (you know this is true)
laws that ban smoking in outdoor public areas are plain lunacy, because there is no way, no way that there will be enough cigarette smoke in the open air to cause anyone any discomfort unless they are standing right next to a smoker, or if a bunch of smokers are lighting up in the same place, which only happens because of rules that force them to only smoke in one place
this should be left up to common sense and common courtesy, not legislation
smokers have the courtesy to not smoke in places that are designated non smoking
but sadly many non smokers lack the courtesy to not try to force smokers off of the planet with these laws. Its a sad state of affairs
doesn't matter, they do not have to make that sort of choice like smokers have to, because of these laws
when you get right down to it, it is facism by the majority, on a opressed minority
being an American means respecting the rights of your fellow Americans and taking the bad with the good, which alot of people are not willing to do
having freedom means that someone, somewhere is going to do somthing that you don't like, and you need to grin and bear it because the freedom that allows them to smoke is the same freedom that allows you to do somthing that someone else might not like as long as it is not harming anyone, or infinging on the rights of others, which regardless of what you may say, smoking does not do
the "right to clean air" makes no sense, because clean air is everywhere, its as easy to get as stepping outside, or politly asking the person next to you to put out the cigarette
if you want to stop smoking in bars and restaurants, then why not use the simple rule of supply and demand? Don't go to places that allow smoking and only go to places that are non smoking, but non sm okers will never do this, for the simple reason that clean air is not as important to them as these services (you know this is true)
laws that ban smoking in outdoor public areas are plain lunacy, because there is no way, no way that there will be enough cigarette smoke in the open air to cause anyone any discomfort unless they are standing right next to a smoker, or if a bunch of smokers are lighting up in the same place, which only happens because of rules that force them to only smoke in one place
this should be left up to common sense and common courtesy, not legislation
smokers have the courtesy to not smoke in places that are designated non smoking
but sadly many non smokers lack the courtesy to not try to force smokers off of the planet with these laws. Its a sad state of affairs
no one has common sense today.
and it's not so much that i dislike the smell of smoke. it's just that i dont want 2nd hand smoking (which i already have) and risk cancer.
and it's not so much that i dislike the smell of smoke. it's just that i dont want 2nd hand smoking (which i already have) and risk cancer.
you have to be exposed to smoke your whole life to risk that silly
(so unless your parents smoked since you were a kid...)
(so unless your parents smoked since you were a kid...)
Well, I agree that there needs to be places that they can smoke. A lot of places have designated smoking areas these days, so that's a good start.
And it's not always as simple as asking them to stop. You never know what can offend people these days. If the person smoking is a huge biker dude, I don't think I'd want to risk that.
And, you don't have to be right by a smoker to inhale their smoke. Once I was eating outside and some smoke came my way (on a not-very-windy night, I might add) and it turns out the guy smoking was on the other side of the building!
People choose not to smoke because they don't want to be inhaling that stuff, and if you're choking on it regardless then there's really no point.
See, not smoking doesn't have any major effects on people around you. You don't get some sort of weird, odorous cloud flying around. You're pretty much nuetral. When you are smoking though, it does effect the surrounding people, and given how many people there are the answer isn't just as simple as 'leave'.
And yes, it could be considered against peoples rights and intrusive on freedom. But then again, pretty much every other law is as well. If I wanna shoot somebody, it's darn well my right to shoot them, isn't it? Oh wait. Now, I know that's an exaggerated example, but it's the same premise. There's something a group of people wants to do that may or may not be right, but it's been deemed dangerous for the general public and has therefor been enacted against for the good of the people at risk.
The thing is, an overwhelming number of people don't follow rules and aren't polite and courteous. "Rules are there for those that need them". If you have a problem with a law, chances are you're not doing something right. If you were more careful with your actions, the rule wouldn't necesarrily apply to you so long as you keep up your behavior.
Now, I'm not saying smokers are bad people. I'm not saying they're inferior and I'm definately not saying they're rude or inconsiderate. But there's bad people and every group, and sadly groups are judged by the worst of them these days. I know several people who do smoke, or have smoked (My dad being one of them), and they're great people. They're also are/were careful with where and when they popped a smoke.
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering if perchance you smoke or if someone close to you is a 'smoker'. Note that I'm not the kind of person to look down on you for that, I'm just genuinely curious now.
And it's not always as simple as asking them to stop. You never know what can offend people these days. If the person smoking is a huge biker dude, I don't think I'd want to risk that.
And, you don't have to be right by a smoker to inhale their smoke. Once I was eating outside and some smoke came my way (on a not-very-windy night, I might add) and it turns out the guy smoking was on the other side of the building!
People choose not to smoke because they don't want to be inhaling that stuff, and if you're choking on it regardless then there's really no point.
See, not smoking doesn't have any major effects on people around you. You don't get some sort of weird, odorous cloud flying around. You're pretty much nuetral. When you are smoking though, it does effect the surrounding people, and given how many people there are the answer isn't just as simple as 'leave'.
And yes, it could be considered against peoples rights and intrusive on freedom. But then again, pretty much every other law is as well. If I wanna shoot somebody, it's darn well my right to shoot them, isn't it? Oh wait. Now, I know that's an exaggerated example, but it's the same premise. There's something a group of people wants to do that may or may not be right, but it's been deemed dangerous for the general public and has therefor been enacted against for the good of the people at risk.
The thing is, an overwhelming number of people don't follow rules and aren't polite and courteous. "Rules are there for those that need them". If you have a problem with a law, chances are you're not doing something right. If you were more careful with your actions, the rule wouldn't necesarrily apply to you so long as you keep up your behavior.
Now, I'm not saying smokers are bad people. I'm not saying they're inferior and I'm definately not saying they're rude or inconsiderate. But there's bad people and every group, and sadly groups are judged by the worst of them these days. I know several people who do smoke, or have smoked (My dad being one of them), and they're great people. They're also are/were careful with where and when they popped a smoke.
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering if perchance you smoke or if someone close to you is a 'smoker'. Note that I'm not the kind of person to look down on you for that, I'm just genuinely curious now.
I don't smoke, and I don't know anyone who does
| QUOTE (Yoshio @ Nov 25 2007, 04:14 PM) |
| you have to be exposed to smoke your whole life to risk that silly (so unless your parents smoked since you were a kid...) |
i have a small problem cuz my mom smoked mad amounts in the house.
but how about people with asthma, or children with asthma (for added sympathy)
or heart problems?
| QUOTE (Yoshio @ Nov 24 2007, 10:38 PM) |
| well, these laws are a blatant attack on individual rights. taking away the rights of people because you don't like the smell of smoke is pretty selfish. |
They point is, smoking, unlike snorting coke, chewing tobacco, or injecting heroin can kill those around you, not just yourself.
In my opinion, I don't think It needs to be banned in public places, as long as smokers don't breathe out the vile stuff they don't want in their lungs when they puff up.
When you smoke, you force all of those around you to smoke too. That's the bottom line. It works in the exact same way as suicide bombers. If a bomber wandered into the desert and blew up just himself, there would be no problem. It's only when they get on a bus, in a public place, or on a plane that we have the problem.
I don't see why I should die because you can't wait till you get home to light up.
Public smoking is illegal in Winnipeg.
I'm not sure about the rest of the world though. If not, then whats keeping them?
I'm not sure about the rest of the world though. If not, then whats keeping them?
| QUOTE (Space Yoshi X @ Dec 5 2007, 11:39 PM) |
| Public smoking is illegal in Winnipeg. I'm not sure about the rest of the world though. If not, then whats keeping them? |
Well, believe it or not, but the rest of the world is starting to catch up with the almighty winnipeg. Western Country around the world have the ban in place.
I'll take it from that obscure statement that you're for the ban?
Very much so. Its a filthy habit and large corperations are making money off of people's addictions.
I don't understand why teenagers these days choose to start. Theres more than enough warning, telling you how bad it is for your health.
I don't understand why teenagers these days choose to start. Theres more than enough warning, telling you how bad it is for your health.
ugh, it seems that I have the minority view here
oh well, at least my crazy ultra liberal neighbor agrees with me
oh well, at least my crazy ultra liberal neighbor agrees with me
| QUOTE (Space Yoshi X @ Dec 6 2007, 12:11 AM) |
| Very much so. Its a filthy habit and large corperations are making money off of people's addictions. I don't understand why teenagers these days choose to start. Theres more than enough warning, telling you how bad it is for your health. |
Because dieing young is kwl. Losers make the most of life. If you could get aids from smoking a stick as easily as cancer, youth would do that too.
Remember - be cool, be dead before 20.
Eating crap > Smoking
It had to be said.
It had to be said.
everyone in this topic except me sucks
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| QUOTE (Yoshio @ Dec 6 2007, 07:07 AM) |
| ugh, it seems that I have the minority view here oh well, at least my crazy ultra liberal neighbor agrees with me |
i'm a liberal. you're possibly retarded..
lol I'm a semi-liberal. I guess you could call me a libertarian.
But, there are some things I am not liberal about, and one is public smoking. If you're dumb enough to take up smoking and F up your lungs, do it in private, away from people. Show some courtesy to other people who choose not to mess up their body...
But, there are some things I am not liberal about, and one is public smoking. If you're dumb enough to take up smoking and F up your lungs, do it in private, away from people. Show some courtesy to other people who choose not to mess up their body...
If these people wanna smoke, go ahead, let them go closer to their own grave.
About the ban, I'm with it. It's been too long since cigarettes had its run for lung cancer, and I say, we should pull the cigarettes OFF the market, take down the companies, open some rehabs, and heal the smokers. Many of my relatives smoke, all of them uncles and aunts. At least some of my relatives are smart enough to stay off it.
No offense, but cigarettes must be pulled off, so we would have no ban, no law, just as long as we don't see its face AGAIN!!!!
About the ban, I'm with it. It's been too long since cigarettes had its run for lung cancer, and I say, we should pull the cigarettes OFF the market, take down the companies, open some rehabs, and heal the smokers. Many of my relatives smoke, all of them uncles and aunts. At least some of my relatives are smart enough to stay off it.
No offense, but cigarettes must be pulled off, so we would have no ban, no law, just as long as we don't see its face AGAIN!!!!
Please even you forbidden them they'll just make there own. Easy doomship.
SO I don't care.
SO I don't care.
I'd just like to say that banning Cigarettes off the market would be one of the worst solutions. When Alcohol was illegal, the other America was a warzone. People would kill for some grog; it wasn't much different than what marijuana is now. When something is illegal, it doesn't mean people will stop, especially not when it's addictive. If marijuana was legal, it probably wouldn't be worth dying for. It's better for the economy and health of others to legalize marijuana and smoking to the fullest. Besides, kids only get addicted in the first place to be a non-conformist. Making it completely okay would really take the wind out of their sails.
I really don't mind them. If it helps a few people spot smoking then great.
They ahs to ban Smoking from earth.
I mean, Im 14, and my mom smokes like...everyday D:
And I hate when people smoke....I'm even extra sensitive to smoke (Auto-Atchoo).
I mean, Im 14, and my mom smokes like...everyday D:
And I hate when people smoke....I'm even extra sensitive to smoke (Auto-Atchoo).
Zulen came in and saved my ass in this debate
Smoking should still be allowed in places like, say, right outside your house so secondhand smoke doesn't occour in your own building. But it should be banned from most public places so that fewer people are subject to secondhand smoke. It's a shame they can't just ban it off the planet, because if they did that... well, just read Zulen's post.